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There is No ROI in Social Media Marketing

by Sonia Simone and Sean Jackson on December 7, 2011

image of smart phone with social media iconsIt’s the online business equivalent of jeans that don’t make your butt look big. Social media ROI is everyone’s holy grail of the moment.

And it’s easy to see why. If a business is going to put the time, effort, and attention into social media marketing, it would be nice to think we’d actually get some sales out of it.

In other words, we want a return on our investment.

Sonia Simone talked recently with Sean Jackson, Copyblogger Media’s CFO, about the ROI of social media. She expected to hear one answer, but was surprised to get something very different.

Here’s how it went down.

Sonia: OK, so as you know, everyone is looking for how to improve the ROI of their social media marketing. What advice do you have for them?

Sean: Social media marketing is never going to produce an ROI. No marketing will.

Sonia: (Long pause) You’re not drunk right now, right?

Sean: No of course I’m not drunk right now, why would you ask that?

Sonia: Well, you did just unlock the “Wino” badge on FourSquare. Just saying.

Seriously, Sean, we can’t tell people there’s no ROI in marketing. What’s the point of even doing marketing if there’s not a return on the investment?

Sean: OK, can I be the money guy for a minute?

Sonia: Yes, if you absolutely have to.

Sean: All right. As you know, I talk with a lot of businesses. And I’m seeing ROI taking on a mythical status in marketing — a benchmark used to compare every decision to some financial metric of return.

So organizations create entire processes around the idea of measuring this performance index, all so that marketing professionals can “justify” their activity.

Marketing ROI has become so important that no one questions its validity

But the truth is, marketing will never produce an ROI.

Sonia: OK, you’re still sounding insane to me.

Sean: I’m not done yet.

Marketing will never produce an ROI because ROI is not what you think it is.

A pure definition of ROI is simple to quantify.

ROI = (Gain from the Investment – Cost of Investment)/Cost of the Investment

The problem for marketing professionals is that marketing activity is not an investment.

An investment is an asset that you purchase and place on your Balance Sheet. Like an office building or a computer system. It’s something you could sell later if you didn’t need it any more.

Marketing is an expense, and goes on the Profit & Loss statement.

Sonia: You’re going to ask me to understand accounting stuff again, aren’t you?

Sean: I have confidence in you, you can handle it.

Unless your organization uses Enron style accounting (circa 2001), every marketing effort you pursue is an expense in time, money, and resources … it’s not an accounting asset.

But the bigger question is why do so many people use the term ROI and marketing together? The answer to this question provides insight into how an organization views the role of marketing.

What is the ROI of email?

Quick, calculate the ROI of using email within your organization. Not email marketing, but just the emails you send back and forth to get things done.

Sure, you may know what it originally cost to install your email system, but how do you measure the gain achieved from it?

If you are like most, you don’t know. You probably don’t care.

But the absence of email in your organization would lead to more harm than good. Its “gain” is not so much a measurement of return but an implicit cost of being in business.

Unfortunately, this is not the same view shared by people who use the term ROI when they’re talking about marketing.

Marketing is not something you buy off the shelf

It’s like walking down to the local dealership and saying “I’ll take the 2012 online marketing model with the social media package” — a ludicrous analogy but not too far from truth.

People who use the term ROI see marketing as something to buy.

But smart companies see marketing as an integral part of doing business — a necessity no less important than the company email system, their computers, or their office lease.

Sonia: Sean, we’re a virtual company, strictly speaking we don’t need an office lease.

Sean: Don’t nit pick.

My point is, ROI is the wrong term.

The real measurement of marketing is comparing the net income (revenue minus expenses) by the total revenue generated — in other words, your Profit Margin.

Sonia: So we do get to tell people that marketing is going to make them some money, right?

Sean: Well obviously. Otherwise why would we do it?

Sonia: OK, that’s a relief.

Sean: Marketing is measured against profits, which is a far more meaningful standard than ROI.

But changing an organization’s attitude toward marketing from a measurement of ROI is difficult. It requires a fundamental alteration in the view of marketing’s role.

Marketing needs a new culture

Sonia: Can you talk a little more about what you call the “culture of marketing”?

Sean: Sure, of course.

As the CFO of Copyblogger, I am blessed to work with some of the smartest people in online marketing.

Sonia: Quit sucking up.

Sean: I wasn’t talking about you, I meant Brian.

Sonia: Hm, ok then.

Sean: Kidding aside, it may surprise a lot of readers that as a multi-million-dollar growth-oriented business, our advertising expense is negligible — it’s a rounding error on our P&L.

Sonia: Do I absolutely have to know what a P&L is?

Sean: It would be a good idea. It’s just Profit and Loss. How much we take in and how much we spend.

So anyway, that’s not to say that we don’t measure marketing (we do) or that we don’t spend money toward it.

Sonia: Right.

Sean: But for us, marketing is an inherent cost of doing business and measured against the profit we generate.

It starts with our CEO and permeates our thinking in how we spend our time, resources, and money.

And while we may be exceptional, we are by no means unique.

Most of the brands you love like Apple, Southwest Airlines, or Nordstrom inherently appreciate that marketing is a fundamental part of their business. It gets baked into the products and services — it’s not just a line item on a P&L like the heating bill.

Sonia: Virtual company. No heating bill.

Sean: OK, it’s a line item like the hosting account. Better?

Sonia: Yes, thank you.

Sean: So how do businesses go about creating a culture of marketing? It won’t be easy but this list will help you get started.

Embrace a new definition

Sales generate revenue. Marketing generates profits.

Marketing, including social media marketing, is about efficiency. Marketing is a process of decreasing the time, money, and resources required to communicate with customers and make it easy for them to buy products and services.

The more efficient your marketing is, the more profit you make. That’s what you want to optimize for.

By defining marketing as a function of profits, you create a new perception within your organization about the value of marketing.

Love Thy Customer

Sonia: Now we’re talking my language.

Sean: I thought so. Think of your customers as an audience. That’s not just true for a business like Copyblogger Media — it’s for every business.

Audiences want to be entertained, mesmerized, and enlightened. They want refuge from the status quo — they want to find some solace in the products and services you deliver.

They want a good show, and it’s your job to give it to them.

If you find yourself making decisions that benefit your organization at the customer’s expense, you probably will disappoint them.

So find the one or two things that make them feel special, and deliver those with the flair of an entertainer.

Use measurements that matter

Frequency, reach, and engagement are the modern measurements of marketing. But instead of contrasting them to revenue generated, focus instead on profits and efficiency.

Sonia: You lost me again.

Sean: OK, so if social media marketing is replacing a more traditional form of marketing, document the savings. If sales cycles are decreasing — in other words, it’s taking less time to go from stranger to paying customer, show that. If referrals are up, highlight it.

Measure the ways marketing is making your company more profitable by making the sales cycle more efficient.

Embrace discipline

Discipline is the secret ingredient of success. Disciplined organizations find what works and focus on improving it. They are not distracted by the “new and shiny.”

Sonia: Just so it’s clear for readers, “Organization” can mean a big company, but it can also be just one solo person with a blog and an ebook to sell.

Sean: Absolutely.

Now, a disciplined organization embraces change. But their approach to change reflects the discipline of what works for them.

They test, evaluate, learn, adapt, and modify.

That means you focus on improving what you know works and challenge yourself to make it better by testing new marketing ideas.

Small tweaks can make big changes

Sometimes small changes can generate huge results. Find ways to make small changes to existing processes and measure their impact.

Grand efforts take considerable time and resources. The savvy organization looks for ways to tweak existing processes in ways that benefit customers.

Effective marketing does not require a multi-million dollar ad spend.

Sonia: See, our people never use the expression “ad spend.”

Sean: The point stands, though. Great marketing can come out of small, subtle changes based on customer input and measured for improvement against the status quo.

Sonia: Are you saying we should watch what customers do and then test ways we can improve?

Sean: Yes, that’s what I’m saying.

Filter the fanatics and fools

Sonia: Ha, this ought to be good.

Sean: Well, I’ll do my best.

So we all know that especially in social media, everyone has opinions. Some of those are good and some are foolish.

In marketing, these opinions can be distracting, consuming time that could be applied to more profitable efforts.

This is not to say that opinions don’t count. But building processes that help filter this information may be more important than the opinions themselves.

When possible, respond. When not, ignore. Marketing must maintain a level of discipline to be successful, and filtered opinions can help more than a sea of un-solicited ideas.

Sonia: In other words, listening the wrong voices can tank your business.

Sean: Right.

Sonia: I feel like there’s a simpler way you could have said that.

Sean: That’s your job. OK, moving on.

Create measurable structures

Sonia: OK, I want to hijack this for a minute and talk about the marketing structures we actually use at Copyblogger Media to be able to measure the success of social media marketing.

Sean: That sounds like a good idea.

Sonia: The biggest mistake we see, and the one that makes people think they can’t measure social media results, is that businesses try to complete an entire transaction on a social media platform, like Facebook or Twitter.

Sean: Digital sharecropping.

Sonia: Right. Twitter and Facebook and LinkedIn and Google+ were never intended to be your virtual storefront. It’s not what they were built for and it’s not appropriate.

Instead, you use them as outposts to start talking with people who may eventually become customers.

Sean: You use them to maximize reach and build a case for increased share of wallet.

Sonia: You use them to make yourself interesting and show people you’re a good egg.

Sean: That’s what I said.

Sonia: Ah. Anyway, a lot of businesses use social outposts the same way they use trade show booths — badly. They collect a lot of so-called “leads,” which they either follow up on clumsily or they don’t follow up on at all. Then they wonder why there’s no return.

Sean: Improved profit, not return.

Sonia: Whatever. They don’t make money. Which is bad.

Using landing pages to focus social media attention

The answer is to use social media sites to get attention in the first place, and show people you’re likable and trustworthy. But when someone is ready to learn more about your business, bring them back to an asset you control — bring them back to your website.

More specifically, send them to a well-crafted landing page that’s optimized to get the result you want in that circumstance.

Everything that happens on a landing page can be measured. So you can know precisely how many people sign up to your email list from Facebook, or download a particular version of a white paper from LinkedIn.

Landing pages are the key to measuring the effectiveness of what you do with social media. If you’re having trouble figuring out whether your social media marketing is effective, it’s because you haven’t thought through your landing page strategy.

Sean: Are you going to tell them about Premise now?

Sonia: I wasn’t planning on it.

Sean: But Premise is all about creating strategic landing pages that get the business results you want.

Sonia: Well that’s true. OK, yes, if you want to build more effective landing pages, you should
go check out Premise
.

Are you happy now?

Sean: Yes, yes I am. Thank you.

Baking marketing into the business

OK, I want to keep moving. The mistake I see people making is thinking about marketing like some kind of magic pixie dust sprinkled around when the need arises.

Marketing isn’t any less important than the products and services you deliver or the people who provide them.

Sonia: In other words, it’s not some kind of frosting you put on top of the business. It is the business.

Sean: Right. Appreciate that everything your organization does is marketing — from the invoices you send, to the way the phone is answered, to the method of fulfilling your customer’s needs.

Sonia: OK, what’s the one thing that you want people to take away?

Sean: Other than that Premise can help them create a well-optimized program of strategic, effective landing pages?

Sonia: Right, other than that.

Sean: It’s really this:

Forget ROI and concentrate on profits

Thinking about the ROI of social media marketing — or any marketing — makes business owners think that marketing is some kind of slot machine, where they put money in and hope more money comes out.

Instead, think about how you can generate greater profits with your social media marketing by using social media to reduce expenses and increase revenue.

So when you are asked “what is the ROI” on your marketing effort, answer honestly and tell them “zero.” The real measurement of return lies in the profits created from your culture of marketing.

About the Authors: Sean Jackson is Chief Financial Officer of Copyblogger Media, and Sonia Simone is Chief Marketing Officer. Somehow they manage to work quite nicely together, despite the fact that they sometimes seem to speak completely different languages.

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image of rubber stampYou’re stuck again.

You know what you’re supposed to do. It’s not a matter of knowing the next steps — you know them, all right. You just aren’t taking them.

You watch while others pass you by. People who aren’t as good as you. People who don’t work as hard as you do.

Frustrating.

Something is holding you back from taking the next step. From doing the scary part — the part that means you might actually succeed.

Too many of you are waiting for that something. And you know what? It might never get here. So let’s fix that right here, right now.

Too many of us are waiting around for permission to take the next step. For someone else to bless what we’re doing and say it’s OK.

So this post is your official permission slip. Print it out if you need to, and stick it up on the wall.

If you need permission to raise your prices …

Sonia gives you permission to charge what you’re worth.

You have my permission to launch something more expensive than you ever have before. You have my permission to position yourself at the premium end of the pricing scale. You have my permission to quote your prices without apologizing for them. You have my permission to create a more valuable product and charge accordingly. You have my permission to focus on the customers who can afford the best you have to offer.

If you need permission to launch a product to your audience …

Sonia gives you permission to get that ebook, that coaching program, that membership site out in the world where people can benefit from (and pay for) it.

You have my permission to ask for the sale. You have my permission to sell even if it upsets some people. Which it will. You have my permission to ignore these people.

If you need permission to set boundaries …

Sonia gives you permission to focus on what you need to do.

You have my permission to take a break from social media. You have my permission to work in a focused, coherent way on your own project without being interrupted every five seconds. You have my permission to turn off email for awhile. You have my permission to take your laptop to a coffeeshop and work in peace. You have my permission to not answer the doorbell. Or your phone. Or your IMs.

You have my permission to not give a damn what the troll in your comments is saying. You have my permission to ban the troll without feeling bad about it.

If you need permission to take your business seriously …

Sonia gives you permission to think of yourself as a business, even if no one else does yet.

You have my permission to spend as much time and money on your business as you do on your hobbies. Or on other people. Especially people you don’t actually like.

You have my permission to have great site design. You have my permission to get decent hosting. You have my permission to take that really cool business course you’re dying to take.

You have my permission to envision your business being 10 or 100 or 1000 times bigger some day. You have my permission to get there.

If you need permission to call yourself an authority …

Sonia gives you permission to admit that you know your stuff.

You have my permission to speak and write confidently about what you know. You have my permission to teach what you know. You have my permission to stop pretending you’re dumber than you are. You have my permission to ignore the critics and wannabes who will never, ever be as brave as you are.

You have my permission never again to use the phrase, “Well, I’m no expert, but …”

What is it you need permission to do?

There’s nothing wrong with needing permission. It happens to most of us once in awhile.

What would you do if you felt you had the “right” to take the next step? If you felt you had earned some secret permission slip no one else can see? If the business and marketing fairy godmother could give you a blessing?

Let us know in the comments, and if you make a reasonable case, we’ll write you a permission slip on the spot.

About the Author: Sonia Simone is CMO of Copyblogger Media and co-creator of Teaching Sells.

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Get More Great Content from Copyblogger on Twitter

by Brian Clark on September 10, 2011

Twitter

We deliver a lot of daily advice here on Copyblogger. And yet, in the fast-moving world of online marketing, web publishing, and social media, there’s a lot to know.

We share additional content related to copywriting, content, social media, SEO, and online marketing from many sources across the web @copyblogger on Twitter.

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cartoon image from Hugh MacLeod

Dear Social Media Maven,

So … you work in social media, you’re passionate about social media, you live and breathe social media, your life revolves around social media, helping your clients with social media, turning the world on to social media, etc. etc….

To keep this whole social media thing on the road, you find yourself spending 18 hours a day on the computer, working that online buzz, working those relationships, for both you and your clients — Twitter, Facebook, Tumblr. It’s never-ending. Relentless.

And guess what? There are thousands of others just like you, mining that social media mountain for any gold they can find.

Like everybody else in your space, you’re burnt out. You’re over-extended. You’re exhausted.

Enough already

Some time ago I found out the hard way that keeping up with social media, keeping ahead of the curve, was impossible. You might as well try emptying the Atlantic Ocean with a bucket.

I found that the “helping clients with their social media” schtick wasn’t sustainable. It just takes too much time and there are too many other people doing it — most far younger and charging far less than me.

So what did I do? 

I asked myself, OK, so what can I do that is unique? What can I do that nobody else is doing? 

The answer, of course, is the cartoons.

There are a lot of cartoonists online, but nobody’s doing it the way I’m doing it. Cube Grenades: corporate and private commissions, my way. Like I said, unique.

So if you want Cube Grenades, fine, I can help you. If you just want the same social media stuff everybody else is offering, well, you’re frankly better off asking everybody else. That’s what I started telling people.

And it worked

I’m now buried in cartoon commissions. And it’s been that way for a while. It’s focused. And I’m happy.

Two points to conclude:

  1. If you’re going to do social media, you must find a totally new and unique angle. Cartoons were my thing, you have to find your thing. Otherwise you’re just going to end up underpaid and burned out. Web designers and social media experts and copywriters have become a commodity — unless you find your angle.
  2. It took me a couple of years to figure all this out, how to build the reputation and the business model so I could offer something truly unique. So if you haven’t quite figured it out yet, don’t worry. It takes time. But do it, regardless. Make it happen.

Any questions?

About the Author: Hugh MacLeod is a cartoonist and has a popular blog at gapingvoid.comCheck out his corporate commission work here. And if you want to find your own unique angle, you probably should read his books.

Note: The image used for this post is one of Hugh’s “Cube Grenades” created for his client, Rackspace. See them all here.


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How to Make a Living as a Social Media Rock Star Writer

by Sonia Simone on December 17, 2009

Freelance X Factor

Earlier this year, Brian and I created a course called Freelance X Factor.

It was designed for the “typical” Copyblogger reader. (Smart, interested in writing, pretty savvy about social media . . . but possibly “not there yet” when it comes to packaging all of that up and turning it into income.)

The course is designed to give you a “business model in a box,” to take what you’re great at and start using it to make a better living. Our focus was to take social media writers and turn them into effective businesspeople.

While we were at it, we included a lot of content to help you become a social media rock star, if you weren’t there already.

And, in honor of the worst global economy since the Great Depression, we packaged all of this up at an incredibly attractive price.

Why bring all this up now? Because everything that made the course so valuable remains true. But we’re just about to raise the incredibly attractive price to something that’s merely “very attractive.”

We’ll be taking the offer down before the end of the month. In early January, we’ll be raising the price for Freelance X Factor from $87 to $147. Which is still, frankly, a hell of a deal.

If you’re a writer and you think the Copyblogger business model could help you re-position yourself for more income, fewer hassles, more respect, and more fun, well, you’re right. Click here to find out how to do that for the best possible price.


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